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joopschilp
27-11-08 03:20 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

I have the same problem here

During a chat session I was thrown out of the chat session, as the moderator seemed not to agree with my statements on recent Thai political affairs.

had to do with PAD being elitist.

Anyhow, during thsi chat I suddenly was thrown out with the remark that I was banned.

I am not aware that I was posting not conform the rules, only a little bit critical on the PAD,:laughlong

See screendumps below

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http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0081504mr9.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0081504qn3.jpg

When I log in I get the above remark: IP banned

Marie

27-11-08 03:47 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

Quote:

Originally Posted by joopschilp
(Post 159215)

I have the same problem here

During a chat session I was thrown out of the chat session, as the moderator seemed not to agree with my statements on recent Thai political affairs.

had to do with PAD being elitist.

Anyhow, during thsi chat I suddenly was thrown out with the remark that I was banned.

I am not aware that I was posting not conform the rules, only a little bit critical on the PAD,:laughlong

See screendumps below

http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0081504lm2.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0081504mr9.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?i...0081504qn3.jpg

When I log in I get the above remark: IP banned

I have just read the chatlog of your full conversation when you were kicked out from the room. Sir, you were warned 5 times by the moderator and a Thai chatter that you're crossing the line when you started to talk about the King, but you did not take any heed. You continued discussing him.

I have the chatlog right now.

joopschilp

27-11-08 05:50 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

joopschilp

27-11-08 05:58 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

Chat Rules (please read before login)

Rules:

General:

Be nice, no flooding, no CAPS, no obscene words! defamatory, abusive, vulgar, harassing, obscene, profane and hateful behavior will not be tolerated. Anyone found to be harassing other members by using sexual words will be reported to the police in their country. Please note, your username, e-mail address and ip address is logged everytime you chat. We do this for the safety of our regular members and their families.

Says nothing about politics, PAD, PPP, the King, so on what ground the ip ban???

Sved	27-11-08 07:25 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

Quote:

Originally Posted by joopschilp
(Post 159240)

Hello Marie

Since when it is forbidden to make remarks on people who misuse a portret of the King, holding it and at the same time shooting compatriots wit a different opinion. That's what I said, I never insulted your King, on the contrary, I have a big admiration for him and his family.

I just don't want him to be misused by a bunch of elitist protesters.

In my humble view that triggered the moderator at that time, obviously a big PAD fan. NOTHING to do with lese majeste. They should sue these persons with his portrait while shooting for lese majeste.

I will make it clear that my sympathy lies with the more poor part of the Thai population. I hope you agree with me a little bit. Theyalso have a right to vote and are not to 'dumb' for that.

Can you please send (email known) me the transcript of this 'insulting' chat?

I can't remember it all explicitely now.

I hope this ban will lifted as it was not my intention to harm anybody of royal blood.

Please state more clearly what's accepted and what's not (politics) in the chatroom?

'

Quote:

Originally Posted by joopschilp

(Post 159241)

The fact remains that you received several warnings from a moderator to please stop discussing The King and yet you continued while using demeaning terms.

It's because of this and only because of this you were banned. It has nothing to do with your political views.

The chat rules are a general guideline, all chatters are also expected to also comply with the law and as you are aware of lese majeste is a criminal offense.

joopschilp

27-11-08 08:19 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

dear Sved

" several warnings from a moderator to please stop discussing The King "

Not so, the moderator was upset when I called the PAD by their name, 'elitists' I called them. I never 'dicussed' the King in my short chat. I only remarked the misuse the PAD make of the monarch, holding a portrait, while shooting theis adversaries. If thta isn't lese majeste then my name is Mickey Mouse. While they should nbe sued, I am banned (on the chat room). You just are biased, just admit it.

Then: " you are aware of lese majeste is a criminal offense. "

Is naming the name of the King lese majeste? Then you can better close down all the newspapers. I only remarked the misuse of royalty by certtain political factions in ur country.

'criminal offense' that's only for Thai citizens, which I am not.

So please, once more, make it clear where I offended the King ? Or was it just that I put the PAD in their just perspective, terrorising the Thai people/paesants? While using the King for their cause. They should be sued !

Concluding: place in your rules that the role of the King cannot be discussed, even not by interested farangs, not even in a positive way certainly I did not do that in " demeaning terms."

David_Loves_Ubonwan

27-11-08 09:03 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

Quote:

Originally Posted by joopschilp
(Post 159249)

Then: " you are aware of lese majeste is a criminal offense. "

Is naming the name of the King lese majeste? Then you can better close down all the newspapers. I only remarked the misuse of royalty by certtain political factions in ur country.

'criminal offense' that's only for Thai citizens, which I am not.

If you believe that the crime of lese majeste only applies to Thai Citizens then you are mistaken.

Quote:

Frenchman Lech Tomasz Kisielewicz who in 1995 allegedly committed lese majeste by making a derogatory remark about a Thai princess while on board a Thai Airways flight in international airspace was taken into custody upon landing in Bangkok and charged with offending the monarchy. He was detained for two weeks, released on bail, and acquitted after writing a letter of apology to king Bhumibol Adulyadej.

Quote:

In March 2007 Swiss national Oliver Jufer was convicted of lese majeste and sentenced to 10 years for spray-painting on several portraits of the king while drunk in Chiang Mai, Thailand. Jufer was pardoned by the king on 12 April 2007.

Quote:

In September 2008, Harry Nicolaides from Melbourne, Australia, was arrested at Bangkok's international airport amidst the 2008 Thai political crisis and charged for insulting the King.

Just three cases involving non-Thais.

David

Khun Don

27-11-08 09:18 PM

Re: Banned from the chat?

It is not just individuals who are subject to the law of lese majeste in Thailand. Paknam Web.com that runs the chat room concerned could be shut down by the Thai authorities and probably the owner would also face legal action.

joopschilp

28-11-08 12:56 AM

Re: Banned from the chat?

Is naming the name of the King lese majeste?

Was my very simple question.

In this chart session I did not mock your King, certainly not 'insulted' him.

In my eyes your King was insulted when some PAD idiots held a portreait of him while firing at unarmed citizens near Don Muaeng.

That was all I remarked plus mocking the PAD, but they are not the King aren't they?

The mere fact that they present themselves as followers of him (yellow) does not make them also 'lese Pad'. They simply are ruining your beautiful country, period.

So:

What is lese majeste??????? ************************************************** **

Marie

28-11-08 03:59 AM

Re: Banned from the chat?

joopshilp,

The name of the King is not supposed to be dragged, especially in a political controversy, and that taboo is carefully observed in the chat room.